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Tyler McKinnon's avatar

Thanks for the insight. And I respect you for having the balls to stand up to the crooked feds. I hope it works out. I’ll be following with interest

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T. Paine's avatar

You told me in our original conversation on this topic over at the bad cat, that tax preparers rely on software so none of us know anything. I just wanted to let you know that is indeed the case for many tax preparers, I will agree with you on that point, however, I am not your ordinary tax preparer. I'm TheeAccountant, and I wrote my own excel spreadsheet to reconcile tax returns to my workpapers when I was working with some cheap software that sucked. I know how all the numbers flow on forms 1040, 1041, 1065, 1120s, and 1120, and your calculation above is incorrect.

The $21,411 would have been only federal income tax withheld on the W-2. Social security and Medicare do not show up anywhere on the form 1040. They are used in other calculations on other schedules but are not part of that line. You paid in $23,354 in federal income tax and you owed $10,650, which makes for a refund of $12,704 - with two years of interest on that amount that should be the $13,419. So, the $13,419 looks to be the amount you over-paid in 2020, including interest.

As to why it's negative, it's a reduction in the credit to your account and it's getting added back to what is owed because it's frozen (they're holding it because you've been hit with penalties). If it was a positive number there, it would have reduced the amount held. So, you would have gotten a refund, with interest no less, if you'd filed an accurate return. You will never see that money now. Me personally, I can think of better things to do with my money than to give it to the government unnecessarily. Which is what has happened here. Whenever my clients pay penalties because they didn't make the quarterly payments that I told them to make, it hurts my heart. Why are you giving more money you didn't have to give to the federal government??

Also, in one of the other posts, you said they "stole" from your 2021 over-payment to pay the penalties they applied in 2020. Yes, they do that because you are accruing interest every day on those penalties, so applying the over-payment stops the interest accruing. Nice of them, eh?

You know, if you're going to try these shenanigans, which I strongly advise against [like please, PLEASE, don't do this], I'd at least make sure that you hadn't over-paid and were due a five-figure refund for multiple years. What a very expensive lesson.

At any rate, this has been an interesting exercise much in the vein of Don Quixote. I do seriously appreciate you posting all of these notices. I've never seen these some of these before.

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